Ep92. Liv Kaplan, Nutritionist: Use Your Inner Wisdom to Eat

"My overall mission isn’t to have people lose weight or fit into a certain amount of macros, but I want them to feel the love for the kitchen that I do.”

- Liv Kaplan, Ep92 The Monica Kade Podcast

 

Episode 92 of The Monica Kade Podcast was a riot to record. My guest was Liv Kaplan, nutritionist and passionate foodie with a keen eye for all things health and wellness. 

I’ve been following Liv for quite a while now—on Instagram that is. Not to yoga or the farmer’s market or anything—that’d be weird. So let me say this…not only do her clean, sugar, gluten, grain and dairy free recipes make your eyes pop, they pretty much inspire you to drop what you’re doing, grab your debit card and run to the grocery store—stat! You think I’m joking.

In Ep92. Use Your Inner Wisdom to Eat, we share a healthy dose of laughter, blend it with some golden nuggets of wisdom and drizzle in some simple ideas that you can adopt as part of your own conscious approach to health. Plus, we get all the goss on her latest eBook, CREATE.

Aside from my love for her dessert recipes, it’s her easy-going, comical but real approach to health and food that makes her so likeable. Her message is simple. 

Liv’s recipes focus on mood-boosting and blood sugar balancing goodness, and she believes eating well should be effortless, not stressful! If you live in Sydney, Australia, you can find this bronzed up foodie on the shore of Bondi Beach. She’s a living example of how proper nutrition is an integral part of our overall health—but you’re not going to die if you take a detour. 

If she’s not getting creative in the kitchen, you can find her getting salty in the ocean, getting zen on the yoga mat or picking up fresh produce from the local farmer’s market. 

GRAB your green juice, turmeric latte, bulletproof coffee—or beverage of choice; plug in those earphones and consume this episode in one sitting—or with a friend, if you think you can’t do it alone. We believe you can.

What You’ll Learn

When Liv’s fascination with food began
Why she doesn’t attach herself to food labels
How her diet has evolved over recent years
Why she doesn’t try to know what’s right for you
We debunk the “Keto” vs “Vegan” conversation
Why health isn’t just about what food you eat
Why she advocates looking at ‘how’ you eat and your mindset on food
We talk food philosophy: Eating well and looking after your health should make you less stressed not more
Get the goss on her newly released (April 23rd 2019) eBook, CREATE
What inspired Liv to bring CREATE to life

Signature Questions

Sunset or sunrise and why?
What's Liv afraid of?
If she could be remembered for one of her recipes which would she pick?

 

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Transcript: 

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Monica Kade:00:01  You're listening to the Monica Kade podcast, a conscious approach to all things health and lifestyle, empowering you to be your best self in each moment because the truth is that's all we ever have. On Mondays I bring you pep talks for your soul and episode sharing personal conscious lifestyle tips that will help you make better choices in all areas of your life. Each Wednesday you'll get an interview with a game changing entrepreneur, creative mind or thought leader doing what they love and challenging the status quo. These people move me, they're changing the world and I hope they impact yours. Let's dive into this week's conversation.

Monica Kade:00:40  Hello and welcome to another episode of the Monica Kade podcast. My guest today is Liv Kaplan. She's a nutritionist and a passionate foodie with a keen eye for all things health and wellness. She lives in Bondi beach and she's an example of how good nutrition is an integral part of our overall health. Her recipes focus on mood boosting and blood sugar, balancing goodness, and she believes that eating well should be easy and effortless, not stressful, which is what I really love about her. That philosophy, not to mention her food, but we'll get to that. And if she's not getting creative in the kitchen, you can find her getting salty in the ocean, getting her zen on with yoga or picking up the fresh produce from the local farmers market. So let's dive into this conversation. I think you're going to find her really comical, very intelligent, and she's a lot of fun to chat with. So let's dive in right now. Hello Leah. Thanks so much for joining me today.

Liv Kaplan:01:32  Hello. Thanks for having me. Excited to be here.

Monica Kade:01:35  We touched base ages ago and I think in the abyss of my inbox, I remember one day thinking, I'm like, I'm sure I reached out to live in Austin to be a guest on my podcast show. So finally we are here.

Liv Kaplan:01:46  Yeah. Awesome.

Monica Kade:01:47  Okay, so I want to find out, when did your fascination with food begin?

Liv Kaplan:01:51  Really early on. I don't think...I think my story's different. A lot of people, cause I don't have some sort of time where I hit rock bottom and suddenly it's just been intrinsic in me ever since I was a kid. Honestly, I've, I've always just been obsessed with sort of we things and it's never bothered me that no one else cared about this sort of stuff. Like even around the age of 11, 12, 13, um, I really was interested in health and food and mindset and all that stuff. It's just sort of, yeah, as I said, it's just been intrinsic the whole time and I've kind of, but in that time there was no Instagram or social media, so it was kind of weird at that time. And I used to like a lot of things that I did. I remember putting spinach in my smoothie, but that was super weird back then. Like, no one drank the green smoothies and now like everyone and their dog drinks green smoothies. So, yeah.

Monica Kade:02:43  No, I can totally relate to that. And I think it's, it's funny because I used to live in New York ages ago and I remember when I first moved there, they were drinking, you know, the had coconut water and Kombucha and no one in Australia have ever heard of that. And like now it's this big craze, and I'm thinking like, this is like nine years ago. Um, we were a bit behind in the times, but hey, so what about your family? Like does your family have a same kind of relationship with food? Do they, are they into that kind of stuff?

Liv Kaplan:03:14  Yeah, definitely. Always been really into food and health. And my dad specifically was always very interested in his health, like and mindset as well. I think he was quite ahead of his time in terms of that stuff. He would always say to me, when you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change. It seemed kind of normal now. That sort of back then it wasn't that like everyone, everything was around food and like calories. It wasn't necessarily how you approach things in your mind and how you could change things. And he was like always up exercising every single morning and eating really well. Um, so I've certainly sort of grown up where it's, but I think I sort of just naturally inherited that rather than learning by watching.

Monica Kade:03:53  And so how would you say that your diet has evolved over more recent years? You know, when I guess possibly from maybe when you were younger to when this social media revolution started happening?

Liv Kaplan:04:06  Certainly, I mean I've sort of gone through all the trends as we all do. I mean you can only be ahead of the trends to a certain extent, but the reality is that if there's a general consensus of what's healthy at a certain time, generally people are going to be following that. So back in the day was sort of low fat and no red meat or no meat whatsoever and things like that. So naturally that's how I ate. And then Paleo became a thing. And with that I've never really attached to a label at all. Um, but I've always researched and sort of tried to implement things and made my own version. Yeah. Going through the natural sort of progression that a lot of people went through and now, yeah. And then I suppose in recent times I've really focused more on how you mentally approached what you eat. And I always say that you should like sort of choose what you want to eat from within cause your internal wisdom knows. I think everyone's looking externally for answers. So the moment I sort of changed that a few years ago and just sort of more did more internal work and meditation and trainings that in self, whatever you want to call it, um, your inner wisdom and just de cluttering from what everyone else is telling you. Because like as you know, there's 40 million people saying 40 million different things and it's so hard to kind of know what's right when you're just always looking externally. And that's why I sort of don't believe in meal plans or things like that because it just doesn't teach people how to tune into that inner wisdom. And it's just when they finish that sort of external stimulation of what to eat or what to do, they're not going to have learned what's right for them and then they just come in and sort of need another meal plan or another external source.

Monica Kade:05:45  I 100% agree with everything that you've said there. And I guess that's also been my experience with food and, and finding what's right for me. And I think getting to the point in my life where you kind of realize what's good for you and you don't need to push it on anybody else that's kind of like, Hey, this works for me. I'm happy to share it with you. And if it works for you too, then that's great, but you know, you're not going to die if you don't eat this way. I think you actually said that one time in your Instagram story to have that. I think about it

Liv Kaplan:06:13  That's exactly what I said because I don't even know what everyone should do, but I certainly think that they're in a wisdom knows and I think it's more about inspiring people to tune into that. Um, cause that's certainly what's made the biggest difference for me. Any sort of like diet or health trend that I've looked at. It's kind of like made little changes here and there. But the biggest sort of jump in results mentally and physically was definitely just tuning into that inner wisdom.

Monica Kade:06:43  I feel like in my experience, and I didn't, I don't know about you, but for me being able to do that, it was kind of like going through a bit of trial and error because I think a lot of people will just go, okay, I'll follow this diet or this trend, and they don't stop to tune in to go, okay, how is my body feeling and how is it functioning? Like is my performance enhanced? You know, when I'm training or am I feeling super tired eating this way? But it seems like the quote unquote right thing to do. So they stress themselves out and continue doing this because that's what you know maybe is currently in the media.

Liv Kaplan:07:18  Yeah, it's exhausting. You got say eating well and being healthy should be effortless. It shouldn't be exhausting and stressful and I find that that sort of a thing where you're just doing something because someone else said it's just stressful and exhausting.

Monica Kade:07:32  You sent out a blog post yesterday about your story a little bit and I was reading it and that's what really stood out for me because I think when we are stressed by off food or if it's taking up space in our minds, for me I find that's a really good way at looking at, you know, food and nutrition or anything really. If it's taking up space in my mind, then obviously it's not intuitive. It's not natural to me. There's something that my body is trying to tell me and I'm not listening. And even in my experience when I first started, we'll talk on this later, I'm just going to go with this phrasing right now, but the Keto Diet for example, I was following it to a t, but then I got to this point where I was like, you know what, I'm thinking about this way too much and it's causing me more stress than enjoyment. And that's when I was like, when I go, what are you doing? Like you know this, go with what is intuitive and follow that.

Liv Kaplan:08:30  Totally. And I tend to find that, you know, we know our minds and our mental states have got such a big effect on our digestion and got, uh, like stress really has a major effect on as sort of symptoms. And that's why they often people talk about IBS and they say it, it's all in the head, which sounds awful, but a lot of times it is because physiologically it is starts in your head. So I know that for me oftentimes when I'm being a little bit perhaps doing things that aren't best, kind of that extra 20% of the time I actually feel better and my digestion is better purely cause I'm relaxed when I'm eating absolutely 100% perfectly or whatever your definition of perfect is well known as my symptoms are worse because it's just, it's that stress that you're like and as you said, it just takes up that time in your head and it's just stressful and you're going to get worse symptoms from that.

Monica Kade:09:21  Totally. I know even in my experience sometimes, you know, I've been doing the things right and, and the results have been worse, you know? And it's like, well, something's not working here. And I think that can be so frustrating for people, especially when, you know, not everyone is knowledgeable around nutrition and all and the ways that it impacts our body. I think when you're in this circle, when you're fascinated and interested in this stuff, you kind of forget that there's a lot of people that don't know this. And I feel like for those people that are kind of just learning about it, it can be frustrating because they think that they're doing everything right and they then get, you know, they walk away from it or they lose faith in it because it doesn't seem to be working. But there are so many other factors, like in terms of the mind that plays such a huge role in it.

Liv Kaplan:10:11  Yeah. There's so... it's just, it's a gray area to be honest. I think everyone wants it to be black and white and I wish it was black and white. That would make everyone's lives easier, but it's really not. So that's why I always say like your inner self has the answers. You've just got to find them and tune in rather than tune out.

Monica Kade:10:30  So how did you do that for yourself? Because someone listening to this right now might be like, that's great, but I have no idea how to do that. What would you suggest to them?

Liv Kaplan:10:40  Well, I call it centeredness and I kind of sort of started using that word being centered because they kind of discovered I could never sort of find any correlations between doing the right things, doing the wrong things, having bad symptoms, having good symptoms, feeling this way, feeling that way. But I kind of, when I started sort of define yet as sometimes I was in my center, I was in my flow. Some people call it in this super woman or whatever you want to call it, there's a thousand different ways. Everything just kind of fell into place no matter what. And then when I was off center, everything was just a shit show basically. And I wasn't feeling good and I was finding I was doing stuff that just what I described as not being me. So we're looking externally for answers or doing things that I just knew weren't right for me.

Liv Kaplan:11:24  That might've been binge eating or binge drinking or um, sort of being lazy, not waking up early. I can't normally do. And I would just question, why am I doing these things, et cetera. I was like, you know what, I'm just feeling a little bit off center and I had to sort of go on that journey to find what brings me back into myself and in my flow. And that's going to be different for everyone. So for me, it's exercise. Meditation. Ocean swims is a massive thing time on my own, but that's all personal to me and that all like puts me back to in quotations feeling myself. I think that's what I'm always sort of striving for. But for a lot of people it might be surfing or might be socializing or time with family. Um, so you, yeah, it's kind of figuring out where your offset or an on center is and what takes me out of those things. And it's a journey for everyone. Like I certainly haven't, don't have all the answers. And I, every day I sort of figured out more about myself and learn more.

Monica Kade:12:19  Yeah, absolutely. And I find that too, and it seemed interesting, you know when you go through different health journeys or things like that, how much you can still learn about yourself and, and I have to say that it does get easier. So for people that may be a, just listening to this and they're just starting out, it can feel very frustrating in the beginning because you're still, I think when we'd been searching so much outside of ourselves for what's right for our bodies or trying to fix something, you know, but fix it from the space of, uh, what's the media or what's the latest trend telling me that is going to fix this? That's not always answer. Like, like you've been saying, the APP body is intuitive. It knows what it needs to do to fix itself, but it's like first tapping into that. But you've got to filter through all the junk, like the physical, it may be the physical food that you've been consuming, but then also like the mental junk that you've been keeping in your body to hopefully...

Liv Kaplan:13:15  and it's, it's daunting and it's totally, it's scary and it's frightening. I totally understand that because for the first time you'll sort of taking responsibility and putting the onus back on yourself. And that's scary for a lot of people. Um, and it's sort of this big sort of black hole that people haven't delved into yet. So I totally get, it's intimidating to start with small steps. Make a big difference.

Monica Kade:13:37  Yeah, absolutely. Now I thought it would be fun to have a little chat considering we've kind of talked about the recent trends and media attention that happens around different foods and currently it seems to have died down a little bit, but there's The d the, the chat about eating Vegan and eating Keto.

Monica Kade:13:55  And I know you have had a passionate, uh, conversation with your social media audience about this, which I found wonderful and really amusing. And I liked it because you kind of take the seriousness out of it because some people get really passionate about, I'm sure some people listening down there and being like, oh, I'm not okay with this, but I think it's a conversation we should have. So tell me, maybe you can first for our listeners, just tell us what's the difference between eating Vegan and then eating Keto per se?

Liv Kaplan:14:26  The thing you just kind of, it's an impossible question to answer because like Ketosis, it's just a state that your body is in. It's not a specific diet or plate of food. You know, I always say that Ketosis is a physiological state and not a plate of cheese. So it's really hard to like delve in a differences because if a Vegan doesn't eat for 24 hours, they will also be in Ketosis. So like eating nothing is a Keto diet technically. So it's really hard for then when a lot of these bloggers and stuff go, I did a debate on the Keto diet versus the Vegan Diet. Um, it's just, you can't compare and they're not mutually exclusive either. Like a Vegan can be and out of Ketosis or they can be on a full in ketosis all the time. I was still being Vegan. Keto Diet can look like not eating at all. So how can you possibly find sort of put them up against each other because it's just too many different things. And I think it's misleading for a lot of people.

Monica Kade:15:24  Yeah, definitely. And I think, you know, when I first heard you talking about that and I just just like, yeah, that's so true. I think obviously publishes the media and everything, they need to have some sort of a reference point to talk about these things. Hence I guess the term Keto Diet has just taken its place, you know, so people relate to that and it, and I think it is time is leading because every picture you see, we're not every a lot is people assume that it's meat and cheese.

Liv Kaplan:15:55  Usually some dodgy stock image over a plate of bacon or something.

Monica Kade:15:59Exactly, exactly. And it doesn't, I think also talk about the quality of the mate that you should be eating. You know, it's purely, it's like this image that you can just go to your supermarket and pick like those plastic looking cheeses and the farmalot meats and things like that. And that's the Keto Diet and of course that it's not healthy at all.

Liv Kaplan:16:23  And that's why I wanted to avoid even using the word Keto ever in any of my content, which I obviously have not stuck to because I'm passionate about food sourcing and where foods from. And I think I didn't want to use the word Keto and people to not get bad and think that I'm all about, like you were saying, plastic cheese and processed meat because totally against that. But then I thought, you know what? It's actually kind of, I feel like I owe it to people to look at it in a different light because the reality is I do read a lot about ketosis heat or diet or whatever and I have implemented it into my life and found major benefits from it. So I should be allowed to talk about that without having people judge me for things that I don't know about. Like just assuming that I suddenly that way and shining light on the fact that it doesn't have to be like that. Like it can be any different thing.

Monica Kade:17:11  Yeah, absolutely. How do you find, because you developed a lot of recipes, how do you find that nowadays it seems like you know everything's dairy free and gluten free this free and people often make jokes about that. I do think there is a level of seriousness to take with that because people do have certain allergies and we are becoming more aware of the way that food behaves in our bodies and and that's why we're moving away from, you know the things like plastic cheeses and meat that's not quite quality from your end when you're developing this kind of stuff. I know that you really enjoy it. Have you found these challenging or been your experience with that?

Liv Kaplan:17:51  It really, for me, I don't develop a recipe to fit into a certain diet category, but I sort of want a separate scale, love being in the kitchen and I also eat a certain way. So naturally I'm going to develop those recipes that's got ingredients that I have in my house and like to eat. Yeah. If you look at my dessert Ebook, which is coming out or has come out, it's, it's more of I called it create because it's more about the creative process of creating a recipe, but it just so happens that I don't have sugar in my house and I don't have honey in my house and I don't have rice malt syrup or dates. So while I would include those in a recipe book, those are just the recipes that I developed because that's the way I eat myself. So that's where it comes from. It's not sort of picking a, a certain Diet label and being like, okay, I have to make a gluten free version of that, but I naturally, I don't eat gluten, so why would I have flour in my house or use gluten in recipes?

Monica Kade:18:43  Yeah, totally. And I can relate because my kitchen is probably similar to yours in that sense. So, okay. For some listeners, they're probably like, oh, hang on a second, but why is honey not good? Why can't I have dates in my, my thing like that. And I think just to make sure you're not saying you cannot have those things, you're just saying that this is the way that you like to eat. And if it resonates then you know checking out your recipes will be beneficial.

Liv Kaplan:19:08  And that's the other end that I get, cause I'll put the other day I posted a photo and I said I just found goat milk Halloumi and I eat dairy. I look sort of all sorts of like good quality dairy. It's not really a thing for me. I feel like I'm the only health a wellness person that eats dairy. But anyway, so I, but I just said I found this goat's milk, haloumi. And which later I found out that that's actually the traditional halloumi. Halloumi in Greece is made from goat milk and sheep milk. And then I had a lot of questions that said what's wrong with cow's milk hallloumi? And so that's the sort of like thing that people take away. And I never said anything was wrong with it or whatever. I just simply said I was using goat's milk cheese in this recipe. So that's the sort of thing that you'd come to. And that's exactly what I said, just because I don't use a certain ingredient doesn't mean that I'm saying it'd be opposite is bad. Um, I don't have it so I just not going to use it. Yeah.

Monica Kade:20:06  Do you find that challenging coming out with, you know, the debates that kind of arise from the way we share your information ever?

Liv Kaplan:20:15  Um, I don't find it challenging. I actually love it. I really enjoy the debate purely because I'm confident in what I do and what I say and I'm happy to respond with my opinion, which in that case was absolutely nothing wrong with cow milk halloumi if you one to eat it. I just found this goat's milk eliminate taste good. And so, and I'm also like, I'm always say like intuitive eating and what different things work for different people. So just because I don't eat chick peas doesn't mean that you need to eat chickpeas or honey or whatever. But I don't feel the need to prove it to anyone that I eat every single thing. Like I'm happy to say I don't eat these things on, I don't buy them. And so like I'm not against them. I'm not going to freak out if there's chick peas on my plate if I'm out at a restaurant. But I need to prove it to everyone that I eat everything and my, you know, sorry. Yeah,

Monica Kade:21:10  yeah. I really liked that. And I like that as well. You mentioned this in, your recent blog as well about, these are my words. I suppose you're a bit of a rebel when it comes to food in the sense that I like that you put your own spin on things because I'm a be like that and I don't like people telling me what to do. I know what works for me, so I'm going to do that. And you know, I think being too rigid with the way that we eat is just like quick discussed in the beginning, going to cause so much more stress to our lives and it just a faith, the purpose of eating well.

Liv Kaplan:21:47  Yeah. And I think, I think already is, especially in this health and wellness industry, people is so serious about everything and I, I would love to sort of, that's why I do like all these crazy sort of ice cream Sundaes and sandwiches because I just want to bring a bit of like fun and lightheartedness back to it. Like it's not a big deal. I often get questions about people like freaking out because they ate too much. Um, 90% dark chocolate or something and like how much is a good amount? I feel like I'm eating too much and I'm like, you have got a lot of work to do and it's nothing to do with the chocolate that you're eating. Like if you're that stressed about something that tiny lighten up.

Monica Kade:22:27  I think we just got like a little pool quote from my social media for this conversation. Yes. I, I totally, totally agree with you. I know in my book I also write about the fact that sometimes you know, if we take a piece of food or we have all these labels attached to it, it's almost like we're saying to this food, you can do this to my body because that's like all the stuff that like the heaviness and the stress that is coming with the food, it's almost coming into your body at the same time.

Liv Kaplan:23:01  Oh hundred percent I always say like eating is a spiritual experience. Like that food literally becoming you. It's like getting broken down into its smallest constituents and those are being used to build your cells and enzymes and neurotransmitters and affecting your mental health. So it's, yeah, totally, totally on board with what you're saying.

Monica Kade:23:21  Hmm. I want to talk a bit more about your book and I love desserts. And I have to say to our listeners that I have tried and tested one of the recipes in this book and it was amazing and it definitely didn't last very long and I'm not sure if I mentioned it but to you personally, but we had some people around that we can for barbecue and I brought it out and they was like, oh my God, they loved it. So it seriously. Yeah. Is so good and okay. So tell me more about these desserts that are in this book and what's kind of inspired them.

Liv Kaplan:24:00  Yeah, so I do, I want it to relate to in a book this year I just wanted to applies to sort of a project to put all my effort into and conceptualized from start to finish. Um, like I said, I love the creative process of doing recipes and photo shoots and I always got an idea of what I want. And being able to see it come to life is just the best thing on the planet. I love being in the kitchen and desserts is just the first one. I'll always go for it just because it's kind of like art to me. Um, I love that process. So yeah, that's why the first thing that I did was a dessert ebook. MMM. And like I was saying before, like I naturally don't eat sugar and all the sweeteners that I've used as Sweden's that I'm happy to can see him and I'd go through that in the book.

Liv Kaplan:24:42  Um, all the different types and kind of some of the information, cause I use, I use like Stevia and monk fruit, a bit of a erythritol and I sort of explained what they are, uh, which is oh, in the sort of front copy of the book. So they all are sugar free and sort of keto are friendly I suppose as I use the term and a lot of debt free and Vegan. But you know, I didn't want to call it Keto desserts or sugar free desserts or low carb desserts or whatever because it's just, that's not at all what the book was about. To me, it's about being creative in the kitchen. And my overall mission is not to have people lose weight or fit into a certain amount of Macros, but I want them to feel the love. So the kitchen that I do and be inspired to create different things. So a lot of the recipes, you know there's room for error and movement and where you want to put your own spin on things. So that's why I called it CREATE, because that was basically the word that kind of set everything about the book to me.

Monica Kade:25:36  I honestly, I totally agree with you cause I feel the same and I feel the same about desserts too. So I think think even I would get on really well. And tell us a little bit about the photography process and the styling process, because I'm always, I guess because I love food as well and I'm always fascinated when you post things and how beautiful they look and what's that like for you?

Liv Kaplan:26:01  Yeah, it's a massive part of what I do is that creative aspect. And that almost has got nothing to do with food. But I've grown up, I've always been really crafty and creative. So I, I mean I blame this on the fact that I've got two brothers and no sisters. So growing up they would always play together and I had nothing to do so my mom would just give me like loads and loads of like craft. So I did every kind of origami and knitting and sewing and jewelry making and that's all I did as a child because I could just sit there and do it for hours and I loved it. And then I think as I started to get older I sort of lost that I had no creative outlet and what I was doing. Um, and I really felt like that was a bit of part of my soul missing, which now I'm so happy I get to creative stuff every day. I definitely feel more fulfilled. It's just gone from making Origami to making a beautiful photo in terms of the color and that overall aesthetic can, this sort of feeling that you get when you look at the photo? It's why I'll do a lot of chocolate drizzling and stuff like that. Because you really get that sort of taste experience from looking at a photo, which I'm quite obsessed with translating from a screen to a feeling basically.

Monica Kade:27:07  Yeah. Oh, you've said that so beautifully. Okay, so now if people would like to grab a copy of the book, where would you like to send them?

Liv Kaplan:27:16  Yeah, so to my website and they're under ebooks, which is live kaplan.com Liv k p l a n and I've set to your lessons up with a discount code for 25% off, which is the word Monica.

Monica Kade:27:30  Woohoo. Amazing. Thank you so much. I definitely recommend everyone go and get a copy of this book because, well, I've only had one so far, but that recipe was amazing. I need some new ones. So before we finish up our conversation, I've got some signature questions that I ask everyone.

Liv Kaplan:27:47  Yes.

Monica Kade:27:48  Right. So the first one is sunset or sunrise.

Liv Kaplan:27:53  Definitely sunrise. I'm a morning person. Always have been.

Monica Kade:27:56  Mm. What time do you get up?

Liv Kaplan:27:59  Um, kind of between five and six. [inaudible] I'm not like a zealot. I don't need to get up at a certain time, but natural always I generally get up with the sun, so yes.

Monica Kade:28:10  Yeah. Awesome. And what are you afraid of? Afraid of?

Liv Kaplan:28:15  Ooh regret.

Monica Kade:28:17  Ooh, that's a good one. And tell me, this is a really tricky question and I've, I only use it for people that I interviewed that talk on food and develop recipes, but I asked someone, um, Jordie Pie Face, you probably follow her on Instagram as well. So I asked her and she found is tricky too. Okay. Sorry. If you could be remembered for one of your recipes, which would you pick?

Liv Kaplan:28:45  Oh my God. But it's such a hard question. Yeah, probably my two ingredient cookies.

Monica Kade:28:55  Okay. Can you share a little bit more about those? What are the two ingredients?

Liv Kaplan:28:59  Well, that's was my original recipe, but now I've kind of made it into 10 different sort of pimped out flavors, but it's basically just cashew butter and egg. Oh, you think it won't work? It makes no sense. And you're like, there's no way. Like, she's forgotten something in and I swear it works and it makes the best cookie like better than any bakery. They're like buttery and delicious. So yeah.

Monica Kade:29:23  Oh my God. Well I might add that to my shopping list for today cause I've already put the uh, your, what was the ace to hearts that you just sent out yesterday?

Liv Kaplan:29:32  Oh yeah. Yeah. But what do I call them...Gooey Hazelnut Hearts.?

Monica Kade:29:36  Yes. Yes. So that just went on my shopping list today. So that's my next attempt Liv.

Liv Kaplan:29:44  Awesome.

Monica Kade:29:44  Well thank you so much for chatting to us and everyone who's listening, you can find all the show notes with links to leave social media and her website so you can subscribe and get her amazing book as well. So yeah, thank you so much for chatting with us.

Liv Kaplan:30:00  Thank you so much for having me. It was a great talk.

Monica Kade:30:03  Okay. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. Thank you for listening to my conversation with leave. I hope you enjoyed it. I know I have a lot of fun recording it. If you follow live on social media, you'll find that she shares a lot of funny stories in her Instagram stories, very much with watching, but her food and her presentation and everything on her Instagram is just beautiful and totally makes your taste buds dance. So be sure to check it out. And as you heard her mentioned, she's included a discount code for you. If you'd like to purchase her new ebook, create and all you have to do is head over to livkaplan.com and when you go to the checkout, use the discount code, MONICA, all that information is in the show notes. Thanks again for listening and have an amazing week.